View Full Version : RKC Monday Night Meets- Minnesota! - STARTING JUNE 11th!


Kaiyin
05-16-2007, 04:10 PM
Starting June 11th and Then Every Monday Following June 11th!

http://i9.tinypic.com/4lqjn2o.jpg



Good news, today I locked in a location for the up and coming RKC Monday Night Meet for Minnesota!

New Beijing restaurant is proud to host the weekly Monday Night RKC- Minnesota meet! It is located right off of hwy 494 and hwy 5 right off of Prairie Center Drive in Eden Prairie, MN, next to Rainbow Foods and Snyders Pharmacy. Located 20min southwest of downtown Minneapolis and 25min southwest from downtown St Paul, it is within a 10-15min drive from Apple Valley, Eagan, Burnsville, Shakopee, Chanhassen, Chaska, Bloomington and all other major suburbs. Northern suburbs such as Anoka, Blaine, Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center will see a 30min drive that will be well worth it!
Map:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=4QfeStnMtQBbrrtdRXv1bA%3d%3d&longitude=HLQe9jKn2o0E%2f9YkmDqDtQ%3d%3d&name=New%20Beijing&country=US&address=962%20Prairie%20Center%20Dr&city=Eden%20Prairie&state=MN&zipcode=55344&phone=952%2d934%2d3455&spurl=0&&q=New%20Beijing&qc=%28All%29%20Restaurants

Dates are being worked out for the inaugural meet so stay tuned!

Drama Llama
05-16-2007, 04:14 PM
Aerial image = good choice of parking lot.

986ci's
05-16-2007, 04:18 PM
sweet only 920.70 miles from my house

Drama Llama
05-16-2007, 04:21 PM
:lmao: Patrick, you're like a mile and a half north of me...so.. 919.50 mi from me? :lol:

Jared
05-16-2007, 05:04 PM
Good news, today I locked in a location for the up and coming RKC Monday Night Meet for Minnesota!

New Beijing restaurant is proud to host the weekly Monday Night RKC- Minnesota meet! It is located right off of hwy 494 and hwy 5 right off of Prairie Center Drive in Eden Prairie, MN, next to Rainbow Foods and Snyders Pharmacy. Located 20min southwest of downtown Minneapolis and 25min southwest from downtown St Paul, it is within a 10-15min drive from Apple Valley, Eagan, Burnsville, Shakopee, Chanhassen, Chaska, Bloomington and all other major suburbs. Northern suburbs such as Anoka, Blaine, Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center will see a 30min drive that will be well worth it!
Map:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=4QfeStnMtQBbrrtdRXv1bA%3d%3d&longitude=HLQe9jKn2o0E%2f9YkmDqDtQ%3d%3d&name=New%20Beijing&country=US&address=962%20Prairie%20Center%20Dr&city=Eden%20Prairie&state=MN&zipcode=55344&phone=952%2d934%2d3455&spurl=0&&q=New%20Beijing&qc=%28All%29%20Restaurants

Dates are being worked out for the inaugural meet so stay tuned!

Great Work!

I'll get busy designing the new flyer for you!

L2
05-16-2007, 05:06 PM
wow! RKC's growing so fast!!! This is awesome!

buggin
05-16-2007, 05:43 PM
W00T!!!

This rocks, RKC in THREE states!

We need MORE!

goddessofwonderland
05-16-2007, 05:54 PM
My bf and I will try to make our Mall of America trip the monday we are in Minnesota to see what your's is like. Good luck!

Ubercharged GST
05-16-2007, 06:04 PM
Damn dude thats far for little poor me in anoka...

Ubercharged GST
05-16-2007, 06:15 PM
O well i will get my friend with his 1st gen and spencer to go for sure, and more if i can find some

Fonzie
05-16-2007, 06:17 PM
WICKED!! congrats on the new meet brotha!!

RICEKILLER.COM is expanding extremely fast!!!

se7enrex
05-16-2007, 09:32 PM
i will be there, keep me informed, by the way its Will---s2k

Kaiyin
05-16-2007, 11:04 PM
O well i will get my friend with his 1st gen and spencer to go for sure, and more if i can find some
make sure you get them to sign up on the forums too! :D

i will be there, keep me informed, by the way its Will---s2k
Welcome man! Glad to see you here. Spread the word to your friends. :D

Mode12
05-17-2007, 07:35 AM
Eden Prairie isn't central to anything!

Kaiyin
05-17-2007, 03:02 PM
well, should have said something in my other thread. :D

This location works well because it has a HUGE parking lot and the owner is a car enthusiast himself. He owns a 96 Dodge Viper GTS (that is not stock) and has had Supra Turbos, Corvettes, STi's in the past. He should be signing up on the site soon too. :D In other words, he wants the meet at his place!

Ubercharged GST
05-17-2007, 03:48 PM
should have had it in anoka lol

Adam
05-17-2007, 04:58 PM
Mall of America rocks......Love the roller coaster

vejatabul
05-17-2007, 05:28 PM
yeah thats only like too far.

five point slow
05-17-2007, 06:55 PM
good job :thumbsup:

timmy
05-17-2007, 09:03 PM
sweet!!

curly2k3
05-17-2007, 10:41 PM
i shall be there!

Andy
05-17-2007, 10:52 PM
how much do you guys need to sponsor i am sure DB Performance would sponsor.... we do mostly mustangs anyway..

Ubercharged GST
05-17-2007, 11:06 PM
really mostly mustangs? you are a sponsor on MNsportcompacts lol

Jared
05-18-2007, 05:24 AM
http://picsorban.com/upload/bejing_flyer.jpg

DA
05-18-2007, 08:57 AM
RiceKiller at the Chinese restaurant. Am I the only one that has jokes in their head right now?

I know a few on this site that can kill the whole buffet not just the rice.

SOBO7
05-18-2007, 11:39 AM
^^haha I can see all the jokes now. Kaiyin, make sure to post pics when you have the meet!!!!

Fonzie
05-18-2007, 11:43 AM
haha congrats!!!

Kaiyin
05-18-2007, 04:04 PM
how much do you guys need to sponsor i am sure DB Performance would sponsor.... we do mostly mustangs anyway..
I will talk to Jared about sponsors for MN and get back to you asap.

Thanks for the awesome flyer Jared!

five point slow
05-18-2007, 05:41 PM
why does ricekiller.com and a chinese resteraunt make me laugh?

Rage
05-18-2007, 07:49 PM
why does ricekiller.com and a chinese resteraunt make me laugh?

just what i was thinking

sorry that to far away for me

Kaiyin
05-18-2007, 10:28 PM
Okay, the first ever RKC Monday Night Meet in MN will be on Monday, June 11th! A little bit far off but I want to make sure I spread the word that these meets are going down!

SOBO7
05-18-2007, 10:35 PM
any idea on how many people are showing up yet?

Kaiyin
05-18-2007, 10:42 PM
no idea yet, but I have this posted on a number of local forums and I am getting people interested. I'm hoping the word spreads! I'm printing out fliers right now to hand out at a car show tomorrow.

HURLEY
05-18-2007, 11:26 PM
good job kaiyin!

delsolvtec
05-19-2007, 02:56 AM
Right on Have fun.

Ubercharged GST
05-19-2007, 03:01 AM
I will be joining you at the carshow, I should drive to your house and ride with you

se7enrex
05-19-2007, 07:44 AM
john, wheres a show today???

Mode12
05-19-2007, 08:27 AM
john, wheres a show today???

I think the B96 show down at Dunwoody.

Bamber
05-19-2007, 10:12 AM
"THE MOST EXCITING THING TO DO ON MONDAY IN MINNESOTA"

haha i love it. :lol:

nice work though, Jared and good luck with the meets up there, Kaiyin. :) :thumbsup:

OneSloZ
05-20-2007, 01:49 PM
haha im only 3hr away, jared we need one here in south dakota too pm me and ill get crackin!

termin8r
05-20-2007, 03:04 PM
Eden Prairie is a haul for quite a few people that I know of. I may attempt to make it down there.

Bjorn20
05-20-2007, 11:02 PM
30 minute drive for me, does it matter if you have a rusty car to show up with? From all the videos ive seen on the meets the cars are all clean as hell

Kaiyin
05-21-2007, 03:42 PM
As long as it's not rice, bring it. :)

This weekend was great! I handed out about 200 fliers for the new meet! Hopefully, June 11th will yield a great turn-out.

Jared
05-21-2007, 04:02 PM
Thats great news!

DA
05-21-2007, 04:13 PM
30 minute drive for me, does it matter if you have a rusty car to show up with? From all the videos ive seen on the meets the cars are all clean as hell

It's called editing. Don't worry about how the car looks right now it's more about getting together with different car people and seeing what's out there and learning what's going on. If you have seen the videos from the bigger meets you can't count the amount of cars there and it's all in the editing that makes the videos. I have been hanging for a while but my avatar is the only place your likely to see my truck around here. My cars aren't even on there. :lmao:

Go out and enjoy. Everyone has had a beater in their life and we all have to start somewhere. The good thing is you can start with RKC and not the group from "come rice with me."

Drama Llama
05-21-2007, 04:20 PM
:werd:


Well said, DA.

Bjorn20
05-21-2007, 07:46 PM
It's called editing. Don't worry about how the car looks right now it's more about getting together with different car people and seeing what's out there and learning what's going on. If you have seen the videos from the bigger meets you can't count the amount of cars there and it's all in the editing that makes the videos. I have been hanging for a while but my avatar is the only place your likely to see my truck around here. My cars aren't even on there. :lmao:

Go out and enjoy. Everyone has had a beater in their life and we all have to start somewhere. The good thing is you can start with RKC and not the group from "come rice with me."


very true, never really thought about it that way. But to be honest, im actually scared to bring my car anywhere that i cant look after it. Theres just too many reports of stolen hondas of the 88-95 years. Stock, rusty, modded to shit or anywhere in between, people steal the shit like theres no tomoro. I mean, meets are a big opportunity for theifs to get lots of info they need about any particular car they want in their garage. Not saying that theirs theifs among this forum, but theres always those odds.

But I dunno, ill see what I can do. Great job again on getting RKC to minnesota, I thought id have to fly to texas to see some of these meets hahaha

Kaiyin
05-21-2007, 11:32 PM
very true, never really thought about it that way. But to be honest, im actually scared to bring my car anywhere that i cant look after it. Theres just too many reports of stolen hondas of the 88-95 years. Stock, rusty, modded to shit or anywhere in between, people steal the shit like theres no tomoro. I mean, meets are a big opportunity for theifs to get lots of info they need about any particular car they want in their garage. Not saying that theirs theifs among this forum, but theres always those odds.

But I dunno, ill see what I can do. Great job again on getting RKC to minnesota, I thought id have to fly to texas to see some of these meets hahaha
werd, what is up with MN and stolen hondas? I had my old prelude stolen from me. Kept my civics locked up in my garage when I had them. haha

I remember driving down to Texas just to meet up with some of the RKC guys and gals. Great times. :) Looking to do the same for MN.

Brando
05-21-2007, 11:47 PM
ill be there even tho my baby threw up her inerd's today. but the broke as pos will be there. maybe not every monday but at least a few times

ill get some people from wisconsin to come out too hopefully

Rage
05-22-2007, 02:11 AM
my 98 super sonic blue gsr was stollen a week after i bought it, i was lucky and got it back with the motor still in it but about 4k worth of parts missing.

it took me 2 years to rebuild it. my insurance never payed for it because the said i violated policy when i left it in i high risk theft area (maplewood mall).

so i feal your pain about ever letting it out of your sight, mine almost never leaves my garage and when it does it only to stay in town, i dont think i have put 400 miles on it after i got it back

Rage
05-22-2007, 02:15 AM
and when i do go out i park buy the windows and sit infront of it watching it like a hawk, or i make my gf run in and get whatever we came for.

Scotty07
05-23-2007, 08:59 AM
I might have to attend said meet.

Ubercharged GST
05-23-2007, 07:56 PM
Scotty 07 where are you from exactly name seems familiar? other forums perhaps?

Kaiyin
05-24-2007, 01:44 AM
he is from TC Stangs.

And welcome Scotty07! :)

hawjdude
05-24-2007, 11:58 AM
Just joined, hopefully I can make it too the meet june 11th.

Kaiyin
05-24-2007, 02:09 PM
Just joined, hopefully I can make it too the meet june 11th.
welcome! More pics of the supra please. :)

Brando
05-24-2007, 09:17 PM
^^ agreed

Brando
05-24-2007, 09:21 PM
oh hey also i was wondering if it would be ok if i posted this flyer up at work. there are a bunch of guys with there bad ass Harley's and stuff that want to come out. btw i work at kuryakyn, we ship custom Harly parts

Andy
05-24-2007, 09:41 PM
I think we are gonna try and hit up the june 11th meet... Maybe bring out the TT Cobra!

Brando
05-24-2007, 09:43 PM
wooooooooot. that will be badass

Bjorn20
05-26-2007, 08:00 PM
What time range are these meets at? On mondays i usually i get off at around 6 and lift after that which takes it to around 8 pm or so along with the next 2 hours taking in a lot of food..... so that might be a problem for me :(

edit nvm... just read above and answered my own question this might be interesting, seeing that supra would be tight tho

militantsquirrel
06-04-2007, 05:42 PM
Well, now I've got a question. I just joined up recently, so this may sound like a stupid question. I know most of you are bringing down some pretty formidable rides, but that's an area where I'm a little lacking. When I went into college my mustang had to go back in the weeds and I haven't got around to getting it back on the road yet. Right now I'm basically driving a 2007 unimpressive econobox. So my question is, is there parking around back where I can hide the damn thing or something? I plan on getting something better in a year or two, but for the time being, I just want to do my part to support the cause.

Kaiyin
06-05-2007, 01:53 AM
bring your ride regardless of what it is. As long as it isn't a ricer and you don't act like a ricer, you're all good. :D

Jared
06-05-2007, 02:39 AM
bring your ride regardless of what it is. As long as it isn't a ricer and you don't act like a ricer, you're all good. :D

+1 :thumbsup:

militantsquirrel
06-05-2007, 11:07 AM
+1 :thumbsup:

bring your ride regardless of what it is. As long as it isn't a ricer and you don't act like a ricer, you're all good. :D

Rock on. Yeah, she's completely stock right now. You know the other day, just for shits and giggles, I went to see what they had for performance add ons for it. So I search the internet expecting to see turbo options, superchargers, exhaust systems, hell even a friggen performance chip....and nothing. All I find for it are fart cans, hideous body kits, and sites that want to sell me god awful wheels for it. At this point I'm thinking WTF, and then I come across one done for SEMA. I'm thinking alright! maybe someones put a little work into the drivetrain, so I read up on it to see what they've done. Yeah, I had my hopes a little too high, all they did was add a body kit that must've doubled the weight of the car, added wheels that I wouldn't take if they were given to me, and had done absolutly nothing to the engine. F-ing ricers with deep pockets, if they had just taken some of the money they spent on neon paint and fiberglass, and put in into the engine, they could have probably made a car that could have effectively launched itself into orbit.

Kaiyin
06-10-2007, 05:00 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! So excited for tomorrow!

militantsquirrel
06-10-2007, 07:33 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! So excited for tomorrow!

same here, even though I hate chinese food.....

timmy
06-10-2007, 07:57 PM
^^^ im with both of you on that one..

Jared
06-11-2007, 10:39 AM
Good Luck to you guys tonight! Please take LOTS of pics and be sure to post em up! :)

Havok
06-11-2007, 11:25 AM
I may end up there tonight it's a 45 min drive down there so we will see if not this one hopefully next one so I can gather some people up to drive down there with

LSE Performance
06-11-2007, 04:48 PM
I will try to make it down, but looks like next week will a better chance, good luck guys.

TurboSpoolinInside
06-11-2007, 06:23 PM
Hope to see you all there.

VTECommie
06-11-2007, 10:41 PM
I Just got home from the meet(Red del Sol) it was great meeting everyone. That black EK civic with the vanity plates looked dank as hell. Well it looked stock, but.....you know.

Andy
06-11-2007, 11:45 PM
yeah I guess it wasn't bad for the first meet but EVERYONE needs to get out and let ppl know about this shit!!!!!!!!! Could have been a lot better

Kaiyin
06-12-2007, 01:01 AM
Hope to see you all there.
Glad seeing you around again man. :) Spread the word. These are every week and I'd really enjoy seeing you guys around again. :)

I Just got home from the meet(Red del Sol) it was great meeting everyone. That black EK civic with the vanity plates looked dank as hell. Well it looked stock, but.....you know.
hehe, that car is something else. Should've stuck around. ;)

yeah I guess it wasn't bad for the first meet but EVERYONE needs to get out and let ppl know about this shit!!!!!!!!! Could have been a lot better
The word will get out. It was the first go around and I was happy to get the turn-out it did. I can drop some fliers off at DB if you'd like. Been awhile since I've been up there. :)

Sauce
06-13-2007, 09:07 PM
pictures i need to see pictures. if not then next time. :thumbsup:

Brando
06-13-2007, 09:27 PM
pictures i need to see pictures. if not then next time. :thumbsup:

where are you from?

oh and btw the black hatch is sick, hence the urv8sux on his lisence plate. i believe it runs in the 10's (like his best run was a 10.4 or something).

oh im the guy in the crap ass s-10 that went with Charlie (silver impreza) on the cruise.

too bad everyone left on the cruise i was hoping to get some more film and gte that into my movie.

VTECommie
06-14-2007, 11:41 AM
Im already excited for the next meet. The beige R32'd turbo Veedub was beautiful as well.

Adam
07-16-2007, 10:29 AM
heard you guys are having great weather 2night. Shoul;d be a good showing!! Everyone better go!!! :lmao:

UKXK189
07-17-2007, 05:26 PM
I drove by the chinese restaraunt last night, and didn't see a single car in the lot. So I am guessing these are being held at the Maple Grove address now?

Havok
07-17-2007, 05:32 PM
I drove by the chinese restaraunt last night, and didn't see a single car in the lot. So I am guessing these are being held at the Maple Grove address now?

yes it's at the Maple Grove address now

UKXK189
07-17-2007, 05:38 PM
Alright, me and the T/A will try to be there next week then.

Havok
07-17-2007, 06:31 PM
Alright, me and the T/A will try to be there next week then.

cool it'll be nice to see some more muscle up here, so do you have the T/A or a buddy

UKXK189
07-17-2007, 08:09 PM
It's mine. It's an '01 with only 12k miles on it.

93z28joel
11-11-2007, 01:45 PM
I am new just signed up. are there still meets every monday i put my car away today but i will still show up and have a good time.

Havok
11-11-2007, 05:54 PM
I am new just signed up. are there still meets every monday i put my car away today but i will still show up and have a good time.

yes we still have meets on mondays most everybody has stored there car also so we meet at Maynards restaurant in Rogers now see this thread for more info, http://www.ricekiller.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34168

redcobravert
03-17-2008, 09:49 AM
Sounds like a good plan, this is going to be one great summer!

Havok
03-17-2008, 09:55 AM
LOL, this thread is from last year, we're actually starting earlier this year, don't remember the exact date I think it's around here somewhere

Blownsvt
03-17-2008, 02:09 PM
i believ it is april 7th the first monday in april,

turbotalon1g
03-17-2008, 04:25 PM
LMAO, i saw this and then figured out it was last year, fricken noobs.
I love all the comments about ricers cause we still get them.

Blownsvt
03-17-2008, 06:49 PM
we should get another batch of fliers printed up and start handing them out for this year.

SmokenU
03-17-2008, 07:41 PM
we should get another batch of fliers printed up and start handing them out for this year.

And post them up all around

Kaiyin
03-17-2008, 07:56 PM
we should get another batch of fliers printed up and start handing them out for this year.
the flier is up. Right click, save-as, and you can print as many as your heart desires.

Blownsvt
03-17-2008, 07:59 PM
i will do some for sure, might make a new onw that can be black and white to save money on ink lol.

Ubercharged GST
03-18-2008, 12:02 AM
this thread was brought back from the grave lol

Stealth
03-18-2008, 12:13 AM
i'm down keep me popsted on the dates though

SSGZ06
03-20-2008, 11:50 PM
Man... Thats a long time away can we start earlier pretty please:angel: My Z06 and I are getting tired of are mini car meets in my garage...:D

Blownsvt
03-20-2008, 11:57 PM
you can have a meet in my garage, first one is april 7th or something i think

SSGZ06
03-24-2008, 11:40 PM
you can have a meet in my garage, first one is april 7th or something i think

I'm there but I won't have any fenders on or anything. Will your car be there I wanna see it?
P.S. anyone know how to change your profile name, I wanna do that and get some pics up.

Blownsvt
03-25-2008, 12:11 PM
to change your name you more than likely need to pm an admin, no my car is not here at the moment, still in DB's garage, but almost done.

SmokenU
03-31-2008, 09:06 PM
Bump

Blownsvt
03-31-2008, 09:07 PM
dude enough you are getting out of hand

SmokenU
03-31-2008, 09:09 PM
I want my name on all the threads, but you have to come and post in them after me. If you would just leave it alone

Stealth
04-01-2008, 09:41 PM
if you ain't go nothin nice to say don't say nothin at all lol

redcobravert
04-01-2008, 09:47 PM
well i hope it doesnt rain on monday

Blownsvt
04-01-2008, 10:20 PM
this is last years thread guys

Stealth
04-01-2008, 10:59 PM
this is last years thread guys
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

redcobravert
04-01-2008, 11:26 PM
WELL RAIN IS A BAD THING ANY YEAR LOL

Blownsvt
04-02-2008, 09:47 AM
thiis sticky needs to go away.

Havok
04-02-2008, 09:58 AM
thiis sticky needs to go away.

agreed

SmokenU
04-03-2008, 12:58 PM
John's back, i'm sure he'll take care of it.

Stealth
04-03-2008, 11:06 PM
hopefully

Rage
04-03-2008, 11:29 PM
John's back, i'm sure he'll take care of it.

so thats who locked the post about his old car:lmao:

Blownsvt
04-04-2008, 09:35 AM
yea i am sure he did, he wouldn't want to have everyone seeing that i am sure.

Havok
04-20-2009, 03:14 PM
Bump for some old school ricekiller history :)

Blownsvt
04-20-2009, 03:15 PM
damnit jeffrey

Havok
04-20-2009, 03:28 PM
:angel:

TubbD
04-20-2009, 03:45 PM
well i hope it doesnt rain on mondayI was thinking the same thing

A year and 19 days later :lmao:

MikeD
04-21-2009, 02:06 AM
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!! I just read the entire first page of this damn thing before I knew it was old as piss.

Damnit...

d0uble 0ught SS
04-21-2009, 02:15 AM
dude enough you are getting out of hand

this is last years thread guys

thiis sticky needs to go away.

damnit jeffrey
:lmao: poor Nick.......
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!! I just read the entire first page of this damn thing before I knew it was old as piss.

Damnit...

:lmao:

06Pontiac
04-21-2009, 01:02 PM
I just got done reading the first page too!! Dangit!!

Stealth
04-21-2009, 07:14 PM
bump

TubbD
04-21-2009, 08:28 PM
+1

RedFoxROKSTR
04-26-2009, 02:02 AM
Throwing an anti rice meet in an asian resteraunt? Greet idea retards!!!! I hope this is an out dated thread! tHIS WOULD BE A HORSE SHIT IDEA!!! No one worth a damn is on that end of the cities besides a choice few.

Sincerely,
Bluepony on ROckstars shit.

Eden cake eater praire can suck ass!!!!

Holla old school chiming in

RedFoxROKSTR
04-26-2009, 02:54 AM
Throwing an anti rice meet in an asian resteraunt? Greet idea retards!!!! I hope this is an out dated thread! tHIS WOULD BE A HORSE SHIT IDEA!!! No one worth a damn is on that end of the cities besides a choice few.

Sincerely,
Bluepony on ROckstars shit.

Eden cake eater praire can suck ass!!!!

Holla old school chiming in

"IM REDFOXROKSTR AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE" Hi Rache!

Blownsvt
04-26-2009, 10:21 AM
the thread from 07 is really hopping.

redcobravert
04-26-2009, 12:27 PM
no kidding

Z28punk
04-26-2009, 05:10 PM
close it

Blownsvt
04-26-2009, 06:35 PM
i thought about it actually. but figured someone would bump it again next year for historical purposes. I suppose i can just unlock it then.